Mr. KAGHAN. Well, it’s a phrase which I described them rather dramatically, and I used it because I thought they were going about a very serious business in a very superficial way. The CHAIRMAN. You said they uncovered this Communist lecturer. Do you think that was a pretty good service? You had a lecturer over there preaching the Communist line and the two gumshoeing junketeers uncovered this Communist lecturer. Do you not think that might be worthwhile, that the trip was worthwhile for that reason, if for nothing else? Mr. KAGHAN. Sir, I don’t know that the lecturer was a Communist. I didn’t say he was. I heard there was somebody who lectured that might be considered Communist by somebody. Senator MUNDT. Assuming for the sake of the question, without going into the merits of it, that he was, would you then say that the trip was worthwhile? Mr. KAGHAN. If the two young men had discovered a Communist lecturing in the American houses, I am not sure the way they were conducting the trip it would have paid off either if they found only one Communist. I think eventually if he was a Communist he would have been found out anyway. Mr. COHN. Of course, he was found out by somebody from your department, and after he was found out he gave nine more lectures. Do you know that? Mr. KAGHAN. I do not know that. Mr. COHN. So, apparently, the finding out was not enough. How many Communists do you say should have been found out in order to make the trip worthwhile? Mr. KAGHAN. That’s a question that is almost impossible to answer. You can’t go by the volume. If you found a hundred Communists they might not be as valuable as one other Communist that you didn’t find. It depends on where the guy is and what he is up to. Mr. COHN. Have you done anything about finding Communists? Mr. KAGHAN. That isn’t my business, to find Communists. We assume our people are security cleared, and I depend on our security people for that. The CHAIRMAN. I am very curious to know what the two investigators did that you condemned over there and what you felt was wrong. Mr. KAGHAN. Well, in the first place, they came to Germany and avoided seeing me until late in the afternoon, and a little bit before they left. My name had been kicked around in hearings and I expected to have a chance to talk to them. I expected to brief them on public affairs and what we are doing, and they avoided me, and when they finally did see me it was fine, I appreciated that, and then they went up to Berlin and they made a statement to the press that I had Communistic tendencies, which I couldn’t let go by without a statement. In addition to that, they were carrying out what I consider a serious piece of business in Europe which takes…